I want a house with a crowded table
And a place by the fire for everyone
Let us take on the world while we're young and able
And bring us back together when the day is done
Yes, finally we managed to decipher something serious!-- Shea Endgame
Just when #Shea fans were wondering if they’d call anything correctly-- no thanks to ABC’s promotions department, which has deliberately exaggerated nearly every Shaun and Lea development from the “Lim” episode onward-- we finally got to be anything but shocked while the rest of TGD’s viewers felt their collective chins hit the floor at the end of “We’re All Crazy Sometimes.’
Yep, Lea Dilallo is pregnant!
And we … and they...have so… many… QUESTIONS.
I’ve enlisted the help of YOU (by way of comments from readers on recent blog posts) to help me ask them, and speculate on answers. Let’s jump in--
You can hold my hand
When you need to let go
I can be your mountain
When you're feeling valley-low
I can be your streetlight
Showing you the way home
If you can hold my hand
When you need to let go
How did this happen?
...because that’s the only sign of physical affection we’ve been privy to this season with any regularity…
While Lord knows that’s accurate, and I’m amused at the thought of a very clueless young couple watching TGD and thinking we’d better wear gloves when we hold hands from now on, the real speculation on “how”... or “where... comes from filling in the blanks from recent episodes. Was it the (eventual) shower sex? The offscreen celebration of Lea’s birthday? The “ways to manage discomfort” that were referenced at the end of the “Irresponsible…” episode? (In which case maybe there’s a new reason to love/hate Dr D’Souza, depending on how you feel about this pregnancy…?)
But the real question I had on the list was How did this happen when Shaun and Lea surely use a mode of contraception regularly?
It’s not a total mystery of course; there’s a thing called the Pearl Index which delineates the failure rates of different forms of contraception … if Lea was on the Pill, for instance, there’s a 9% failure rate to keep in mind.
Will any of this get a mention on the show? Maybe a line or two early on, but knowing our show, we may have to simply presume this was the first thing Shaun and Lea talked about once the shock of Lea’s announcement started to wear off. In any case, if it’s revealed that Lea forgot to take a pill or two at some point… I hope she doesn’t beat herself up for it, and I hope Shaun doesn’t get hung up on it for long. It appears they’ll have no time to dwell on that anyway.
How are Shaun/Lea/Glassman going to take the news?
Having a child is a very big step even when it's wanted and planned. I can only immagine how scary it can be when you are forced to make such an important decision in a setting that's far from ideal.-- Daniela
I think we’ve got a pretty good idea of Lea’s take on things already-- once past the shock, and probably the denial (see her “two crazy days” from the last episode), she’s scared out of her wits.
What about Glassman? As the de facto parental figure on the scene, we presume-- both from the snippets we’ve seen, and what we know of the man-- that he’s upset at first. (If Glassman wails “How did this happen?” and Shaun launches into a literal explanation of the when-and-where, I may hit the floor laughing.) We know he’s going to give Shaun an earful of the it-changes-everything lecture, but after that--? I can’t imagine Glassy going any other way than to lean into the blessed event… and not just for Shaun and Lea’s sake.
Andrews' words to Glassman (in the “Crazy” episode:
"If you can talk this kid into risking his life, then I'm thinking you can talk anyone out of any fear."
When I heard this, I automatically thought of Glassy reassuring Shaun and especially Lea about having a baby. He would probably say first that it's too soon, that Shaun hasn't finished his residency, etc. but he could end up somehow encouraging them.-- Syl
Andrews was also the one who (surprisingly?) brought up Glassman’s potential need for new purpose in his life during “Crazy”... many of you saw that as a lead-in to his eventual embracing of the Grandpa Glassy role, and I can’t help but agree. While it’s not clear yet when he and Lea will next share a scene together, I’d love it if we were witness to the first time he sees her after getting the news… and she crumpled into a ball of tears, dreading his judgment (no matter what inroads they’ve made this year)... and he found himself offering a reassuring hug, in spite of himself.
We probably won’t get anything like that, but a girl can still dream.
On to Shaun’s thoughts, fears, hopes, joys… just what is going through that guy’s mind in the last episode’s closing moments? His ASD makes it harder to tell, of course, but some of you still thought there was a glimmer of pride showing in his eyes. But as with nearly everything else that’s not medicine-related, he surely comes at this with considerable naivete. We know there was a line in season 2’s “Trampoline” that found him telling Claire I think I could be a good father… and we, as viewers, certainly don’t dispute that… but there’s a whirlwind of factors he must now take into consideration: careers, time, money, medical complications, his ASD, possibly the baby’s ASD (we’ll get back to that)... to say nothing of the full, legal commitment to each other that #Shea have not yet made).
Thinking of the shots we’ve seen of Shaun sitting in the living room in his pajamas, holding his toy scalpel (the go-to for calming his anxiety), it seems he’ll start to get it on some level with the next episode. Does that happen before or after Glassman’s reality check, I wonder? (Never mind… I think I know.)
Will they decide to terminate the pregnancy?
I doubt that they will choose not to have the baby, 1) Because the show primary flag is optimism, specially with its main character. Yes, he will face many obstacles but he will conquer in the end.
2)Because the conservative audience won't forgive the main couple aborting their own child without a strong reason behind it. (which still leads me to think that the pregnancy will come with difficulties)
3)It will kill the show. Plain and simple.-- Shea Endgame
I agree with everything the wonderful women at Shea Endgame just said. And if you’ve heard the episode title for 4.14 is (unofficially as of this writing) “Gender Reveal,” you too might be at a point of concluding that this will be anything but a two or three-episode arc for Shaun and Lea.
That doesn’t mean, though, that abortion will be crossed off Lea’s mental list of options straightaway. In the promos we’ve seen her talk about “making the right decision” alongside Claire, and write up a list with the following words on it (these are mostly fragments but it’s the best I could decipher):
...Have a baby?
The world…
People
… of passing ASD, am I ok with that?
Having children is good way for…
… natural with more established people
Without launching into a tangent on an extremely sensitive subject (particularly in the U.S.), there are plenty of reasons Lea might initially think having an elective abortion. Without even getting into the ASD factor, there are matters of timing, of her physical health, of her mental health, of her career…
THEN comes the fact her partner is on the spectrum, which means their child could be as well. Without knowing another thing, that sentence alone could convince a neurotypical woman like Lea that she was incapable of handling the twosome as a threesome.
It's clear that Lea and Shaun will consider abortion for several reasons, but one of them possibly having a baby with ASD should be viewed as acceptable because someone thinking about their capabilities as a parent and their capacity to answer to a child's need is being responsible. I've read posts of people already blaming Lea, such as she wouldn't consider an abortion if Shaun hadn't ASD, or they vilify her for not wanting the baby because of the potential passing of ASD...It's so hypocritical. Some people don't realize how nerve-wracking it can be for some people to just imagine being responsible of a baby, even if they are in a good situation in their life.--Syl
Given my own experiences being on the spectrum, I was always in doubt if I would want to put children of my own through the same – or even worse, may have the offspring ASD or not. I know a mother with ASD whose 12-year old son was diagnosed with a personality disorder. The mother blames it on her condition for not being able to provide the emotional support her son needed. I know other examples of ASD causing problems in parenting from biographies.-- Andreas
I’m similar to few others who commented: a mom who had two relatively uneventful, full-term pregnancies that resulted in healthy kids with no known physical/mental issues. Therefore, while I don’t feel like I could’ve chosen an abortion… I also don’t feel I can judge other situations. I’ve closest I’ve witnessed in such a place was a lifelong friend of mine-- a doctor, though not one with ASD-- whose wife was several months along in her pregnancy when they learned the child would be born with severe birth defects. I don’t know what they were, but my doctor friend was painfully aware. He and his wife made the heartbreaking choice to abort… and a few years later, adopted a pair of fraternal twins from Ukraine.
Life definitely takes us places at times that we never thought we’d go. But what about Shaun and Lea-- what will they choose? And if that’s a bygone conclusion, how will they choose it? We all saw a shot in the promo of the two of them in some kind of waiting room, holding hands (again), Lea’s face tight and anxious. Many of us have tried to zoom in on those pamphlets alongside them, scanning for clues much as we did on Lea’s pro/con list. Abortion clinic? We wonder. Or regular OB-GYN office?
Whether or not you’re still wringing your hands about that possibility, let me throw one more log on that fire and ask: What if it’s a regular OB-GYN office, but the show itself doesn’t indicate that clearly until the last minute?
I’m trying to prepare for that possibility, although it feels like an unnecessary extra twist of manipulation at this point.
If we want a garden
We're gonna have to sow the seed
Plant a little happiness
Let the roots run deep
If it's love that we give
Then it's love that we reap
If we want a garden
We're gonna have to sow the seed
Yeah I want a house with a crowded table...
What is the role that ASD plays in all of this?
if passing the ASD to the child is on Lea’s list, it is likely that the possibility will be discussed, which might mean that the episode could re-visit Lea’s initial hesitation in 3.16/3.17. Is she willing the risk that the child might more heavily affected by ASD than Shaun? Of all children diagnosed with ASD, 10-15% remain nonverbal for their whole life, ca. 40% have an intellectual disability (ID).
Individuals with ASD and ID may never be able to live independently from their parents or will have to be referred to group home.
These are real concerns and while I don’t expect the show to discuss it in depth, some of it should be mentioned.- Andreas
Call it the baby elephant in the room wherever this pregnancy gets discussed in the “Teeny Blue Eyes” episode... something that would likely have been discussed in depth already, if Shaun and Lea were married (or at least another year or so into the relationship). But here they are, tossed into the deep end with little to hang onto but each other as they figure out what they want, and what they want to be capable of.
The biggest catch with the question at hand-- What are the chances their child could have ASD?-- is that it’s difficult to answer. The number of people with ASD who marry at all, let alone have any children, is generally unknown… with many not even knowing they’re “on the spectrum” until getting diagnosed in their 20s or 30s (perhaps after having a child with ASD). So to try and narrow the selection pool even further, to determine the odds with an ASD/NT couple, seems an exercise in futility.
Still, with genetics being a known factor in ASD, there’s a larger chance than the 1-in-54 possibility amongst the general population (according to the CDC). And boys are 2-3 times more likely to have it than girls, though Andreas tells me girls have a higher risk of ASD going undiagnosed. (This is why I predict that if it goes to term, Shaun and Lea will have a boy. And if it’s named anything other than "Steve" I think we’ll all be shocked.)
Anyway, I presume some of this info will turn up in “Teeny Blue Eyes” through Lea’s conversation with Claire, or Shaun’s conversation with Glassy, or while Shaun and Lea are sitting together with their notes. Will they bring up the tough facts about autism as Andreas did above-- the nonverbal possibilities, the percentage of intellectual disabilities, the lifelong dependence on family that many face? It might be enough to remind the audience, and Lea, that it’s called a “spectrum” for a reason and Shaun-- with his savant syndrome-- represents a scant 10 percent of those with autism.
A very interesting anomaly of a story within the whole ASD/NT + kids issue comes via comedian Amy Schumer. She is married to a professional chef named Chris Fischer, who has ASD. (For what it's worth, I watched them interact together last year when they brought Amy Schumer Learns to Cook to the Food Network; Chris is decidedly more subdued than Schumer, but is a great fit for her and I would not have recognized him to have ASD if I hadn’t read about it in advance.) They have already had a child together-- a boy, named Gene-- and when asked about “how she copes” with the possibility of him having ASD, she gave a very thoughtful, loving, interesting reply. (Check it out here.)
I'm very hopeful that Teeny Blue Eyes will be a great episode. I adore Mark Rozeman's writing, he can be really poetic and, having ASD himself, he surely knows what he's talking about.-- Daniela
However TGD chooses to present it, the ASD question is A LOT to process. And if you’re Lea, filled with self-doubt in general, gobsmacked with the thought of having ANY baby-- let alone one with these kinds of challenges-- overwhelmed doesn’t even seem to scratch the surface of what she must feel initially.
I doubt that will be enough to make Lea-loathers understand how she could even consider abortion, but it’s raw and real and valid to me.
(I still don’t think it’ll be discussed beyond the coming episode, though… not unless they come to a point in the pregnancy when something drastic has to be done. More on that in a bit. BUT FIRST…)
Assuming they decide to go through with it… why is Shaun feeling disconnected already in the next episode?
From what I can see, the description of a future episode of The Good Doctor entitled "Spilled Milk" has created quite a buzz amongst lovers of the show. I, for one, would be surprised if Shaun did not feel disconnected from Lea at this point, though I do not automatically assume that it is because of a traumatic event surrounding Lea's pregnancy. David Shore promises us an honest exploration of all aspects of Shaun's story, and at least as far as I am concerned, he has not disappointed yet.
We have seen in past episodes Shaun's despondent reactions to feelings of disconnection. A good example would be Shaun's visit to Dr. Glassman's office in the "Fractured" episode, after he told Carly of his interaction with Lea in Wyoming. Carly's request for some time alone to process what he had told her sent Shaun into a tailspin, and his fears came tumbling out.
...surely he would view Lea's need to process her feelings, probably in some time alone, as much more threatening, considering his deeply felt love for her.-- Barbara
Something I wonder if even Lea is thinking of yet is the question of how Shaun’s ASD will affect him as a parent. Not that any of us doubt that he’ll do everything in his power to be the best dad he can be… BUT…
How will his extreme sensitivities to sound (read: LOUD, CRYING BABY) impact his ability to help out in the early days?
How will his difficulties with communication affect his ability to bond with his child?
How will he find a way to impart his knowledge (about child development, medical issues, etc.) in a way that doesn’t make an already hypersensitive Lea feel even worse about her abilities as a mother?
Those are just a few “what if”s off the top of my head. And I’m not even counting the fact that Shaun’s demanding work hours will compound matters considerably. (Cue Glassy and Debbie to create a strong support system STAT!)
Before Lea can think of all this… before any of us should… there’s a gestation period to get through. And it appears the “getting through” part will get more difficult right on time, with episode 4.13 “Spilled Milk.”
Why “right on time”? Because even the easiest pregnancies are anything but smooth sailing. Here’s what springs to my own memory:
Constant nausea for 4-6 weeks, depending on the child
Fatigue
Body changes (some more obvious/expected than others)
Mood swings
Dizzy spells
Back pain
Swollen feet
A WIDE variety of cravings (once the nausea went away)
Heartburn and other digestive issues
Sounds like a party, right?
So if you assume Lea to be experiencing even two or three of these things by the time of the “Spilled Milk” episode-- and we know nausea is already on the list, and suspect a certain amount of moodiness-- Shaun’s likely to feel a disconnect simply because these are things he can neither go through with her, nor do much to alleviate. Though I imagine he’ll try-- I picture him coming through the door with nausea lollipops and heating pads as soon as she even mentions pain or discomfort-- bridging that gap won’t be easy.
But remember-- it’s a gap, not a chasm.
The door is always open
Your picture's on my wall
Everyone's a little broken
But everyone belongs
Yeah everyone belongs
Where will things go from here?
Whatever comes--and there's actually a lot they could do with a pregnancy, and not because they can't think of anything else. From a storytelling standpoint, from a dramatic standpoint, there are several beats they can play.-- Amy D.
The question now is how the story will develop past the scares and the possibility of termination in “Teeny Blue Eyes”. There are a lot of factors to consider: Glassman’s level of support, Lea’s skeptical parents. Even Shaun’s mother might re-enter the picture as some fellow shipper reminded me on Reddit.-- Andreas
We’ve been waiting to see where things shake out with the original residents as they head into the final year; to that end: pay attention to the case of the week (the only one, it appears) in "Teeny Blue Eyes":
When a renowned surgeon comes to St. Bonaventure for treatment, the team’s enthusiasm is quickly overshadowed by the doctor’s behavior. After studying his case, Dr. Shaun Murphy sees a pattern he recognizes.
To me, it sounds like the “renowned surgeon” has some form of ASD himself… either undiagnosed, or simply “hidden” throughout the surgeon’s career under the guise of being odd, rude, eccentric, etc. If I’m right about that, maybe Shaun’s encounters with him will cause Shaun to think harder about his own future as a surgeon alongside the news of impending fatherhood.
And maybe that will lead to impacting Shaun’s place in that all-important 5th year of residency looming on the horizon.
(But don’t quote me; I’m as unsure where they’re going with that as you are.)
To have a child is an adventure and a challenge (more over if it is unexpected) for a neurological couple so I can't begin to understand what would be in this case… You might see the baby as an enemy coming to debunk your life and at the same time you feel like you can't do it. Because you barely can co exist with yourself sometimes. Yes, I know exactly how all of these feels and I'm waiting for the show to express it honestly. -- Shea Endgame
As for Lea, the recently-proven Superwoman of St. B’s IT department… Will that feat be the pinnacle of her career now that she’s coding for two? I certainly hope not, if only because TV NEEDS women thriving in male-dominated fields such as tech. It will require Lea to change and adapt of course, and if #Sheababy does indeed have ASD, I suppose there will be re-evaluations across the board (perhaps with both their careers).
All the adaptation conversation, though, is contingent on Lea carrying the baby to term… and let’s face it, there’s a lot that can happen (and probably WILL happen-- it’s a medical drama, after all) along the way...
As we've said in various past posts, the writers have been visibly building up this pregnancy for some time, notably with all the pregnant patients they have had in 10 episodes, and with all the scenes/moments/talks dedicated to parenthood and family, it would be surprising that there is not a baby in the end. But we never know with Shore, I doubt he would pull the miscarriage card, but he could have the baby have a medical issue; I would be ok with that only if it doesn't force Lea to terminate the pregnancy. It would be especially awful to imagine that Lea and Shaun would lose the baby after having embraced the idea of having a baby and started to love it.-- Syl
Much depends on how they accelerate the pregnancy (if at all). In real-time, Lea would be due in the fall. But as we know from previous discussions of TGD’s space/time continuum, that due date of Lea’s doesn’t mean all that much.
On my list of “maybes”...
Miscarriage, which would be something to happen relatively early… maybe by episode 16 or 17 of S4? (With Shaun and Lea recovering from it, and re-connecting, in the remainder of the season)
A high-risk pregnancy for Lea, and/or...
A situation putting Lea’s life in jeopardy, requiring an abortion after all
A medical issue involving the baby while still in utero
A stillborn delivery (meaning the child is born without any signs of life) could happen anytime from 20 weeks onward… and could bring more intense emotions/grief than a miscarriage because they’d have had more time to love the baby, as Syl mentioned above, as well as more time to acclimate to the idea of being parents
On the other hand, a premature delivery could conceivably happen at the end of S4 and would bode well for the baby IF Lea was at least 28 weeks along. (28 weeks, as I understand it, is the point at which the survival rate/complications rate tips in baby’s favor). As complications go, this one’s probably my favorite… and not just because the baby gets to LIVE! Imagine Shaun needing to reach into an incubator and simply touch his preemie child as a way to help bond with it… that would be an incredibly powerful moment, given his own lifelong aversion to touch.
And a place by the fire for everyone
Let us take on the world while we're young and able
And bring us back together when the day is done
And bring us back together when the day is done
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Another beautiful post Kelli. You actually got me tearing up with your two scenarios (Lea/Glassy interaction) and of course Shaun bonding with his possible preemie baby with touch. I can relate to the preemie story as my first-born was 5 weeks premature and had to stay in hospital for two weeks. Needless to say, those 2 weeks were tough. Thankfully my daughter grew up to have no health issues.
As for Shaun and Lea's decision regarding the pregnancy, I am hopeful they decide to keep the baby mainly based on David Shore's comments in recent interviews. BTW, you know this storyline is a huge deal when the big guy is giving interviews about it. One comment in particular, to Entertainment Weekly, that both Shaun and Lea's unique points of view would guide them forward, is what makes me believe they will keep the baby. After that, I just hope the show doesn't make the pregnancy overly dramatic with complication after complication. It would be unrealistic and just too stressful for us Shea fans. I would expect light moments too -- I'm almost sure Lea will have pickle cravings. The show has highlighted Shaun's hatred of pickles in two episodes already this season (Newbies and Irresponsible Salad...) Talk about foreshadowing!!
Thanks for sharing the story about Amy Schumer and her husband. I also watched their show on TFN and had no idea that Chris has ASD.
So buckle up Shea fans, we are in for an epic rollercoaster ride. I am apprehensively excited for what this pregnancy has in store for our couple.
Whatever the writers might have in store with that pregnancy story arc, it sure will change the show for good measure. Which makes sense because “change” has been a recurring theme this season, with the latest promo vignette in social media even directly addressing change as inevitable.
More characters might be affected by this than the obvious ones. Observing that the one with all odds against him is building a family first, how will those react who are notoriously married to their work? Namely Lim, Claire, and Morgan? Might it prompt them to address what they missed out in their lives?
As much as the medical drama faction dreads Lea’s pregnancy for taking the focus away from the cases of the week, we should keep in mind what David Shore said about his creations:
“I’ve always prided myself on trying to make it as realistic as possible, but it’s never been about the medicine. It’s about the human beings affected by the medicine, […]”
https://deadline.com/2020/11/the-good-doctor-season-4-premiere-creator-david-shore-interview-abc-1234605878/
A premise that should also be considered for every possible medical challenge ahead for Shaun and Lea’s family in the making.
Hello everyone!! And Hi Kelli, thank you so much for this wonderful new post!
I feel like you expressed what I feel completely. I would like to add to the what might cause friction between them, besides all the options you mention about how female's body change and your mood changes too that Shaun has delivered some sensitive replies during this season that might be taken differently if those were said now. Moreover if they related to Lea's pregnancy or how it happened. Some of these replies were:
"Shaun our relationship is not going to end in a natural disaster"
"It did begin in one"
Lea's expression while he said that was like "oh you didn't" but at that time she just let it go, perhaps now that won't be the case
Not to forget the one at the shower when he refused to have shower sex or the comment in newbies.
We know that he is totally honest and that's super cool, actually that's one of the things Lea loves the most about him but maybe now, a super honest dosis is not what she is going to need to hear.
There is no bigger change for a couple than to have a baby. So evidently everything will change with this.
Basing on the new sneak peek we saw.
I can't blame on Lea for having doubts and fears. And I totally understand Shaun's practical solutions. He tries to come to a way to solve things but it's not that easy. I think that what she is going to need is to take time to adjust to it.
And well Shaun will need the wise reality check from Glassy to realize that things are going to be very difficult.
It's OK to have fear, it's OK to feel vulnerable about something. You get to learn a lot from it.
They both declared their love for each other and their desire to have children but I think that all of her questions are valid when you are faced to an unplanned and unknown situation.
I still believe that ABC and their promos are trying to sell the idea of the abortion route to put on some flavor to the whole plot. If it's discussed at some point wouldn't surprise me but that's definitely not the route they are following in this case.
Unless that something bad happens with either of them as Kelli mentioned.
I'm leaning to a life threatening situation maybe during labor itself as part of this season's finale or maybe eventually losing the baby so that they can reconnect during the last few episodes.
I guess we should wait and see. And also, I see many anxious about the release of photos for episode 13. I think that since they are selling the whole "is she? Is she not?" idea we won't be having pics until Monday afternoon or after episode 12 airs. Maybe Lea has already a baby bump by the time "Spilled milk" is set. So to show that would be taken as a major spoiler.
The ultrasound for gender reveal comes on during the 4th or 5th month already. Unless that they perform a 3D ultrasound which I believe can reveal the sex by the 3th month? Any mommy here can confirm this?
But that will mean that there will be a time jump between episodes maybe setting the path to match the birth with the season's finale.
Vale- Shea endgame
The sneak peak of a sleepless Lea and Shaun suggesting practical solutions to Lea’s concerns is quite informative if you look at it through the lens of ASD: Shaun is not only naïve about the challenges ahead but also fails to connect emotionally with Lea’s concerns because of his impaired Theory of Mind.
At the hospital, his lack in beside manner is still evident, in a sense this will probably become an obstacle know in the more private setting of his apartment as well once all the concomitant phenomenon of a pregnancy manifest.
I agree Andreas and that's why, once again, in terms of plot. To have the baby and to show all the difficulties he will be facing is the only and best option. It will be very much more interesting to watch.
Thank you, Kelli. This last blog post was really great!
You covered all bases and also incorporated many of our comments.
And the lyrics of "Crowded Table". That song feels so right, now!
I find that everything important has already been said and all that remains to do is watching the episode. I'm so looking forward to it!
About the sneak peek, I agree with both Vale and Andreas. Lea is afraid and confused, but somehow her doubts are also very real and practical. Shaun, on the other hand, finds it difficult to get her emotional needs and support them. But, at the same time, he is naive at the prospect of becoming a parent. "I love you, I want a child, so I want this child". It's as simple as that for him.
So, his inability to foresee the difficulties and to understand and support Lea's emotional turmoil lead to his very rational responses (saving money, and having Glassy hire an assistent to help with Lea's workload LOL).
It's going to be tough for sure!
And Shaun is definitely going to need a double dose of Glassman's reality check.
About the pictures for "Spilled Milk", I also agree that ABC isn't releasing them to avoid any possible spoiler.
And this is a comforting thought somehow...
Thanks, Kelli. As always, another excellent post.
Months ago I read the chapter "Long-term relationships" in the book Attwood-Tony-The-Complete-Guide-to-Aspergers-Syndrome.
I appreciate the suggestion from Andreas and Kelli.
There is one part I found interesting and in line with what we are currently seeing with #Shea.
"'Dating may not provide an indication of the problems that may develop later in the relationship. '
Shaun and Lea had no problems while just dating. Although they are not married, today their relationship is on a different page with Lea's pregnancy.
Thanks Kelli for such a perfect post. You have not left me much more to add except tears and anticipation for the changes to come. I have a very good feeling about it and can't wait to see what's next.We all change all the time. The Status Quo us not forever. When we change, others perceptions changes too including all the people around us.
Wow what a great blog! Very in depth analysis and so much to speak about. My initial take is while on an emotional level the Lea pregnancy aka Shea baby is wonderful news but as you’ve outlined this has come at one of the worst times for both of them. Lea has just had a breakthrough professionally and Shaun is in heading into a crucial final year of residency. Add to it they’re still early in their relationship and it’s on a great trajectory and of course the risk of their child inheriting Shaun’s ASD. So if you’re going with the head it’s not a good time but I’m all team emotion and I say let’s do it! Take the risks and have the baby.
First of all there’s never a good time for children and you also never know if you’ll get another chance as there could be future complications that you can’t anticipate. So I take it as a sign that it’s meant to be. There are many great stories to be told and can’t wait to see them.
One thing that’s maybe long overdue is Lea seeking out Claire and seeing how they connect. They are the two closest women to Shaun and other than a few seconds in the Trampoline episode at the end of season two there’s been no contact between them. There has been no close female friends or relationships for Lea so it’ll be interesting to see what develops here. What I believe could’ve been the battle for Shaun’s heart a few seasons back goes in a different direction.
It’s been nearly a year since Shaun’s Lea makes me more speech and finally the I love you with all my heart kiss. I would’ve preferred an engagement and wedding first but this will be the ultimate challenge and I so am looking forward to it,
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Once again a great post Kelli! I love how you included comments and parts of the song "Crowded table" in your analysis.
I've read Amy Schumer's reply to coping with the possibility of her son having ASD, and it was the perfect answer!
Following the sneak peek, it's clear that the conversation with Glassman is necessary so that Shaun can see beyond the practical side of things. As Andreas mentioned, change is a recurring theme this season, and this one will definitely bring a lot of changes in Shaun and Lea's life and it will change them individually. It will be very difficult for Lea to reconcile with the idea that she'll be a mother soon, to try to be ready for this, while dealing with some side-effects of the pregnancy and also being sometimes not understood by Shaun. And it will be very difficult for Shaun to understand what she's going through emotionally and give her the appropriate support. As a doctor, he could keep saying what to do or what not to do, making her angry and more anxious. He was at a loss on what to do when he tried to help dr Glassman during his cancer treatment and Glassman couldn't accept his way of helping anymore, but thanks to Lea's advice he stopped trying and just accepted to be there for him as a friend. But the stakes are different with Lea because he's very personally involved as her boyfriend and father of the baby.
And as Vale mentioned, he could say sensitive remarks to Lea that she would no longer be so laidback about during the pregnancy.
So the cowbell will certainly make an appearance at some point, and although it's meant to be something that prevents them from veering off, I'm not looking forward to seeing the arguments that will lead to it!
In any case, as everybody, I hope there won't be a stillbirth or a miscarriage. But it feels like the pregnancy was set up now so that a birth could happen at the end of the season or in the first episode of season 5. Since season 4 will seemingly cover more than a year, season 5 could directly follow the last episode of season 4 (and this would be made easier practically since season 5 would start being filmed a few weeks after season 4 wraps up). I also don't see the season ending on such a sad note that would be the loss of a baby, and it would be sad even if a miscarriage happened a few episodes earlier.
About the scene of the ABC promo with Shea in a waiting room, here is my take on it:
it will probably be the end scene or close to the end. At this point, they have both agreed for a termination and they are in this waiting room to talk to an OBGYN about their decision and to make an appointment to have the procedure be done. Lea being very fidgety and anxious could indicate that she's second-guessing herself, is still torn, and she ends up voicing out that she can't go through with it even if she feels it's unreasonable and even irresponsible because too soon.
It's in any case a good thing that it seems that the show won't shy away from actively broaching the subject of the possibility of passing ASD and what being a parent with ASD could imply, and also the subjects of abortion and career vs family.
Note: nice catch about the pickles Pamela, given that we know that the writers usually mention things several times as foreshadowing, pickles could make a live-appearance soon!! A bit of comic relief amidst heavy drama would be welcome.
As much as I enjoy this blog, I'm going to point something out
Quick thing about "autism and it mostly affecting boys", that's actually not true. It's true that males are more likely to be DIAGNOSED while females are often overlooked due to gender bias in medicine and research. Also, autism can be present differently in females and they also tend to be better at camouflaging it (I'm an autistic woman, BTW).
https://www.aane.org/women-asperger-profiles/
Maybe Shaun also worries about how much worse the baby could have it than he did because of the sexism and ableism she might face if she's a girl and also happens to be on the spectrum?
Just saying.
I’m on the same page with Syl on the waiting room scene. Lea is very anxious here, so I also assume the possibility that they initially decide to terminate the pregnancy with Lea backpedaling in the last moment.
There’s actually a precedent for that scenario in the 3rd season of “Masters of Sex” (2015): In episode 3.02 “Three’s a Crowd”, the female lead Virginia Johnson has to decide about her unplanned pregnancy from a vulnerable moment with her ex-husband the episode before. Faced with the choice between keeping up the façade of an impeccable scientist at the forefront of sexual revolution in the 1960’s and motherhood, she initially goes for an abortion but decides otherwise as the procedure is about to begin.
The sequence was shot in a similar manner with Virginia sitting anxiously in the waiting room before hand, albeit alone – a choice that underlined the burden the character was under the whole episode.
The episode explored the same basic conflicting ideas of motherhood, careers and social expectations placed onto women as it is foreseeable for “Teeny Blue Eyes”, so we might see some basic plot points coincide, although it appears to me that TGD will have a greater emphasize on the individual process of decision-making while “Master of Sex” had more focus on the 1960’s social framework’s influence on it.
Either way, since we probably have exhausted most of what to say before the actual episode has aired and all that is left is anticipation for an hour of drama that will likely focus on Lea’s conflicted mind at lot, let me in best tradition of this blog suggest a music score that could reflect Lea’s emotions running high and low with the question of motherhood:
Mark Snow - Mother Genes (The X-Files: Christmas Carol - 05X05)
https://youtu.be/3NVtrdwEwcA
(The score’s title is not a coincidence by the way!)
Andreas, please allow me to leapfrog over you for a second so I can address the “Anonymous” comment ahead of your latest comment…
First, thanks so much for reading AND for bringing up the disparity between male and female diagnoses regarding ASD. The first statistic I found—that boys are four times more likely to have ASD than girls—Andreas quickly indicated to me was outdated. “At the moment it's closer to 2-3 to 1. Compared to males, females are at substantially elevated risk of their ASD going undiagnosed”—that’s what he told me specifically.
I made an edit to my original post, using the information Andreas gave me but changed “substantially elevated” to “higher.” Perhaps I downplayed it too much with that change, and for that I apologize.
I’ve no doubt that there’s been a gender bias in the diagnostic process, as there are in so many facets of life (sigh). I hope it’s improving when it comes to ASD diagnosis. Do YOU feel like it’s improving? I’m curious…
As for Shaun having worries about the unique challenges of a daughter on the spectrum… I think that would be quite interesting to see. I indicated I thought the writers would give Shaun and Lea a boy because, should they choose to explore an ASD storyline with Shaun’s child, they might find it easier to do with a boy than a girl for some of the very reasons you’ve pointed out.
Of course, there’s a long way to go from “Shaun, I’m pregnant” to a #Sheababy in the St. B nursery… let’s see what road they take.
Thanks again for your comment! -- K
I have been reading the feedback of Latin American viewers.
Here the abortion is still a controversial issue, between the church and the predominant machismo in the Latin society, the comments are about Lea "killing the innocent creature of the Lord" and "The irresponsible Lea getting pregnant ruining Shaun's career" yes, I know, I am angry, it does not make sense and it is so stupid.
A nd the reading of the trailer does not help to draw conclusions. Here people do not understand that scenes of it tend to show something that is not.
Another discussion that I have tried to take the a good port of understanding is where everybody see Shaun as a disabled person been abused by Lea.
Just ahead we were reporting a comment with my friends from Shea Endgame.
Here it is already believed that the waiting room scene is the decision of Lea to abort the child and if she doesn't do it, she will always be condemn for having doubted.
I'm glad for the specs we got here to discuss the show in a different level of understanding.
Nat. ♥️
I have a history of getting emotionally involved with TV couples going all the way back to when I was 8 years old, in 1985. So I've been proud of myself the last 4 years for taking everything with Shaun and Lea in stride, and keeping my cool through everything. And I've enjoyed S4 so far. I have no problem with what we've been shown, and what we haven't been shown, which I know isn't the case for everyone. I'm thrilled with what we've gotten so far.
But the universe decided to have a good laugh on me, because all my cool went right out the window as soon as Lea told Shaun she's pregnant. Throw in the ABC promo, the CTV promo, and the 2 sneak peeks we've gotten into "Teeny Blue Eyes" (Shaun/Lea, and Lea/Claire), and I am not objective enough anymore to have any confidence at all in saying what I'm almost certain will happen in 4x12.
I want the Shea baby. I didn't even consider this as a wildest-dreams possibility for this season, but now that it's on the table, I want this child as much as Shaun does. And based on the Lea/Claire scene, it isn't that Lea doesn't want this child. The only thing I've been able to come up with that I feel certain in saying is that this is the ultimate risk vs. reward question for Lea and Shaun: are the rewards greater than the risks?
Lea's doubts and fears are understandable and in character. It's true that Shaun hasn't given the reality of a baby in-depth thought yet, but even once he does, I don't believe the bottom line will change for him. He's already at "I love Lea, and I love this child" and Shaun has always excelled at getting to the heart of a matter, and for him, that's the heart of the matter. Similarly, Lea always takes longer to get to a place emotionally than Shaun. He was ready to be in a relationship with her first, he was ready to live together as a couple first, and he's ready for this baby first. She always gets there. I hope she gets there this time too.
The show has always been about Shaun's triumph over challenges. Parenthood is the greatest challenge Shaun will ever face in his personal life. I hope we get this baby and Shaun and Lea get to be parents. In the meantime, I'm nervous over that waiting room scene most of all, and I'll be glad to get past tomorrow night. I hope they continue with the pregnancy. There are a lot of stories they can tell if they do.
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