Friday, May 21, 2021

State of the #SHEA part 36: I'm Not Always Like This ("Letting Go")

 



You say you wish you could find some way to help

To not to be so hard on myself

So why is it easy for everyone else? 

I’m not always like this

There’s always tomorrow I guess

(from “Turn Out The Lights” by Julien Baker)


If we think of “Decrypt” (from earlier this season) as the closest thing we’ve had thus far to a “Lea” episode (on par with the episodes titled “Lim” and “Claire”), I suggest we consider the “Letting Go” episode as “Lea, part 2”. I know it was about how both Lea and Shaun are dealing with the miscarriage, but an unexpected amount of the hour was devoted to just Lea… which we all know has been extremely rare, at least until this season. And, perhaps thanks to another woman-penned script (thank you Doris Egan, whose last work here was “The Uncertainty Principle”), we got some LONG looks at Lea’s pain.

And that’s important-- not just because she’s the title character’s life partner for the foreseeable future, but because the actual miscarriage happened within her. Twenty-two weeks of her body, hormones, and state of mind adjusting gradually to the miracle of life, and suddenly the miracle is gone. If it takes several weeks for everything going on within her body to reverse course and return to “normal" (and it does), imagine how much longer it can take emotionally.

Incidentally, we see Shaun pouring himself into his work as part of his own grieving process… and while it’s easy to attribute some of this to his ASD keeping him at arms’ length from his own emotions, my research indicates the workaholic approach is common for men in general. 

(Okay, maybe this comes as little surprise to those of us who have witnessed more than a few men desperately keeping certain feelings at bay.)

Anyway, the episode picks up only a few days after “Dr. Ted” ends, and while Lea isn’t exactly hiding her sorrow from Shaun, she does manage to find enough of the right words to convince Shaun she’s at peace with the time-heals-all-wounds theory. The moment he sets out the door with an assured nod in Lea’s direction, we get that extra 10 seconds watching her face transform ever so slightly… just enough to confirm how difficult a day it’s going to be with nothing to come between Lea, her sadness… and her silence. 

Because she can’t quite put her feelings into words yet, you may have noticed:



  • She “speaks” in song lyrics… a lot of song lyrics.

    • She does the channel surfing, flops back to bed, then plays games mindlessly on her phone until the battery dies (which made me think of the way she and Shaun first met… sigh… such innocent times)-- and in between all this we see her let a call from her mom go to voicemail. As she scrambles to find a power cord that will allow her to continue the games, we hear “The Rush” by JJ Wilde:

Last night I came out, I was so damn manic

I don’t even know where I went wrong… But I went wrong

And it’s times like these, I swear to God 

Oh that my mother can’t see me and if she did

I don’t know how I would keep it together

  • It was then that Lea shut off the music, grabbed an outfit (all-black, I couldn’t help but notice), grabbed her coat and bag, and headed to the office. And more lyrics (the aforementioned “Turn Out The Lights”):

There’s a hole in the drywall still not fixed

I just haven’t gotten around to it

And besides, I’m starting to get used to the gaps...


  • There’s a third set of lyrics in Lea’s “Letting Go” story, but I’ll get to those in a bit. First, I want to talk about this exceptional sequence in Lea’s little corner of St. B.



  • When she speaks to others at work, she’s not really speaking so much as she’s putting on a brave face and listening. 


    • It’s the dance I think everyone has to do when recovering from deep personal grief and returning to The Real World simultaneously: Head up, keep breathing, keep it together, seamlessly let well-wisher #1 know you’re OK as you make your way to the elevator…



    • Allow yourself to unglue just the slightest bit if you’re blessed with time alone in the elevator (as Lea was). Personally, I’ve found a locked bathroom stall to be a decent place to regroup too…



    • Do it all again as well-wisher #2 happens upon you shortly after exiting the elevator. With any luck at all, you’re almost to your destination by now…


    • But in Lea’s case, she didn’t make it in there in time to miss well-wisher #3 (Nurse Villanueva). You could see it in her shoulders before she turned around to greet the nurse; it was that Damn-I-was-inches-from-a-clean-getaway stiffening. A.K.A. one more element to note in Paige Spara’s outstanding contributions to this episode.


    • At first I didn’t know quite what to make of Villanueva’s revelation that she, too, had suffered miscarriage(s). It felt a little like she was minimizing Lea’s experience by sharing her double whammy of sorrow with a “hey, it happens” approach. But now I’m thinking more about the scene as a whole; how she’d asked Lea how she was doing, Lea offered a tepid “I’m good,” and then Villenueva mentioned her own miscarriages. Seems more like she may have been saying It’s OK, I know “good” is impossible right now. 

  • I’m a little relieved that the only visual reminder Lea had in this episode was the very pregnant lady passing her by when she first entered the hospital. I was afraid they’d have Lea happen upon something more personal-- a book of baby names she kept in her drawer at work, for instance-- that would send her into tears in a heartbeat. But there was enough going on with her already-- I wouldn’t rule out events in one or more of the remaining S4 episodes “triggering” her to tears. 


  • With Lea only there to “let her phone charge to ten percent” (I think the explanation she gave was legit), The last scene she had at the hospital was the one with Jordan-- and it was surprisingly poignant. Not only did it give a voice to things Lea probably couldn’t yet articulate (“you’re mourning your future”), and MAYBE (fingers crossed) provide foreshadowing in the event Shaun and Lea choose to formally honor their child’s memory… it allowed Jordan to be a part of the connections we witnessed with all the leads as Shaun and Lea left the hospital in “Dr. Ted”. (Incidentally, did anyone notice Wolke was completely absent from this episode?)


  • When Shaun comes home early and says they should talk (as per his direction from Glassman), she’s got nothing to say… other than to kind of curse the guy who said they should talk. 


  • Shaun didn’t know what exactly they needed to talk about, and as I think we’ve discussed a time or two, he was probably afraid to start the conversation out of great fear of saying the wrong thing. So they sat, socially distanced, you might say, and neither one said anything for about 15 seconds (which feels a lot longer in TV-time). How truly unusual for Lea, who is well-versed in telling Shaun what’s on her mind. Once it became clear that she wouldn’t/couldn’t talk in the way Shaun was hoping, he had to be somewhat bewildered and uncertain what to do next. No wonder he leaped at the opportunity to take Pam Dilallo’s phone call when it broke the silence. 


  • Oh, and in case it wasn’t clear by this point of the episode…


  • Lea can’t bring herself to talk to her mom, either.


    • As many of us had heard ahead of this episode, Julie Werner (the actress who played Pam Dilallo earlier this season) has “Letting Go” listed on her IMDB record of TV appearances. Since her name was not on the official press release of guest stars, I opted not to bring up the possibility in advance-- but, of course, my curiosity was piqued. When all was said and done, Mama D’s VOICE is what made the “appearance”… and what an important part it played. (BTW, Julie Werner’s name did indeed appear on screen with all the other guest stars, so let’s make a mental note that it’s not always the ABC 30-second promos that are misleading…!)

  • Bless his heart, Shaun gave 50 of that 60 seconds with Pam his best shot. When it became clear Lea hadn’t yet told her about the miscarriage, he went along with Pam’s stroller talk (which contained a subtle dig on Lea’s judgment, did you notice? Is it any WONDER Lea fears what Mom will say about losing the baby altogether? But I digress...)  


  • Shaun made a considerable effort to be polite through his discomfort-- much better than I expected, to be honest. But when Pam ignored Shaun’s efforts to sign off the call, chirping on instead about baby girls and gender-appropriate onesies… well, bless her heart, she inadvertently gave Shaun a way to tap into his own pain.


“That’s stupid. Why would you have to change it-- a girl would like dinosaurs just as much as a boy! Dinosaurs are fascinating! You need to shut up!”


OK, three things:

    1) I’m sad all over again, simply because we won’t get to see Shaun opening the world of dinosaurs to his child anytime soon.

    2) What a great way for Lea to see she’s not alone in her grieving. Not only did Shaun do what Lea’s surely wished to do many, many times (tell Mama D. to zip it)... but she got to see him “not be himself” (as he said later) without him inadvertently taking out his feelings on her

    3) The call, from the moment the phone rang to the moment Shaun put it back down on the counter and backed away from it like it had bitten him, was alternately gripping, heartbreaking, and shockingly hilarious. I must admit I shrieked with laughter when the call was over, so loudly, in fact, that my 20-year-old son came in to see what I found so funny. 

They were already on the next scene, so as I tried in vain to explain (he’s only vaguely familiar with the premise of TGD), I reached for the remote and said “Here, let’s back it up and you can see for yourself...:”

“No, don’t do that, you’ll fall behind and you’re trying to live-Tweet--” he semi-protested.

“TOO LATE!”

I don’t think it helped him understand my laughter much better, but hey, I got to watch the scene twice. No regrets.


  • When the Mama D. incident prompts Lea to open up a little to Shaun, it doesn’t have the desired effect. 


    • Next thing we see is Shaun soothing himself on the patio, toy scalpel in hand. A real conversation takes root this time, but in typical pace for TGD scenes, it only lasts a minute. When Lea took a breath and brought up Claire’s mention of a miscarriage support group at the hospital-- followed in short order by Shaun’s latest medical epiphany, and subsequent exit-- at first I wondered why they brought it up at all. Given what we now know about the remainder of the season-- camping trip for #Shea next week, followed by the two part mission trip/finale--it’s pretty much a given that we aren’t going to see Shaun and Lea sitting in a circle with other formerly expectant parents. I even wondered if they’d given such groups a shout-out as a simple PSA; a follow-up to the slide presented at the end of “Dr. Ted”--

    • No, no, no. Lea hints at a way to help drill down
      on their pain, and Shaun instantly bails himself out of the option-- his way, perhaps, of indicating he’s just not ready. It was an interesting reaction on Lea’s part…  rather than linger on Shaun’s seeming non-reaction to her suggestion, she looks more bemused than anything else:
      Good for you, Shaun, you’re getting your mojo back. Me, not so much.

  • Speaking of Mojo... 

    Quite a bit has been said (in social media outlets, if not here on my blog or in the comments) about Shaun’s standout qualities as a doctor and surgeon falling to the wayside this season. Considering his preoccupation with Lea’s pregnancy in recent months, it seemed they were setting up the extremely difficult balance Shaun would face in S5 as both his personal and professional demands intensified. Now that this is a moot point, the timing of Shaun’s extraordinary return to form-- especially piggybacked onto an almost-as-extraordinary misdiagnosis-- is something to watch closely, especially during the mission trip. Yes, the synopsis has Shaun “thriving” in Guatemala, but somewhere along the way he’ll surely encounter his own grief in ways he can’t imagine. I’m quite eager to see how it unfolds.

    But back to the final acts from “Letting Go”...

      • Shaun really triggered the gamut of feels with Dr. Andrews as he hasn’t in quite some time-- intense frustration, embarrassment/anger, sympathy, amazement (the look he gave Shaun when he got that second diagnosis correct-!!)... and then, as they headed out of the hospital together, he slipped into the advisory role in a way Glassman hadn’t quite managed earlier in the episode with his answer to why be with the newly-retired surgeon Dr. Nakano: “We love the same thing, and he knows no one would understand his loss like I would.” 


      • I know it’s nothing new for TGD regulars or patients-of-the-week to somehow say the very words Shaun needs to help resolve his conflict at hand. But for some reason, it was especially nice to hear it from Andrews this time. 


      • If it had turned out Shaun was straight-up confused when he got home and heard Lea put the garbage disposal status at the top of her “newsworthy” items, who could blame him? He responds best to verbal cues, after all. But after learning all the things he’d learned that day, he was able to move past the face value of what Lea was saying and doing: 


        • Multiple unwashed mugs on the table (something Shaun would have freaked out about in the early days)= she feels like a mess, inside and out

        • Didn’t call the landlord yet for the garbage disposal= feels she can’t get anything done/can’t be counted on/can’t do anything right

        • It’s “her fault” if they get bugs (because of her failure to call the landlord)= It’s her fault things are as they are


      • While interpretations like these are
      • incredibly subjective of course, Shaun got the gist of it. Enough to gently put his hands on her shoulders, “steadying” her in a way that was almost as powerful as the embrace that followed. 


    Maybe she was detailing the non-events of the day because she was afraid to ask for what she really needed from him. Maybe his non-response to her earlier suggestion of the support group caused her to try and keep all the heartbreak to herself. Maybe she needed to articulate her emotions in a way she thought only SHE would understand…

    What were those last lyrics of the night?

    I think if I fail again

    That I know you’re still listening

    Maybe it’s all gonna turn out all right

    I have to believe that it is… have to believe

    When I tell you that it is… Oh it’s not for my benefit

    Maybe it’s all gonna turn out all right

    Oh I know that it’s not 

    But I have to believe that it is


Shaun was listening… and even when her verbal communication failed her, he wordlessly found a way to meet her where she was. 

Maybe the true “letting go” is still to come for them, but the journey has definitely begun.








20 comments:

Steven Hamburg said...

Well done again Kelli! My thoughts on the episode was it went as well as could be expected for Shaun and Lea. We knew Lea’s grieving would continue and the process of healing a long journey. So I just didn’t want anything to make things worse for her. But some little things you pointed out made some differences. I’d say Shaun’s phone conversation with Lea’s mom was the showing of emotions that let Lea know he feels the loss of the baby too. He cannot match Lea’s grief for as you point out Lea was carrying he child and there’s no substitute for that for Shaun. So while I read harsh comments on Shaun being abrupt and maybe mean to Lea’s mom that wasn’t the point. He can apologize later. But it was the message it sent to Lea that Shaun really shares in her grief.

The other good aspect of the episode is Shaun’s long needed victory in the operating room. I’ve been observing the decline of Shaun’s prowess in the operating room this season. I’m not going to blame him for not saving his child as he was not involved in the treatment but the waiting episode he was berated by the mom as “Incompetent” in front of Lea too and he had no response. So i was at first upset with the preview of him flailing away and the mention of misdiagnoses. But when the misdiagnosis part was early in the show so I was eagerly anticipating a Shaun victory and I got it.

I agree the end scene was perfect as Shaun picked up all the cues and remembered Andrews words to provide perfect comfort to,Lea.

In short it was a relief in that we see the love of Shaun and Lea stay strong and gives hope that something good will happen for them in the finale,

Next week’s preview shows some good intimacy and bonding but of course Shaun’s accident and Lea’s surgery debut gives you some anxiety but since we know both are headed to Guatemala for the finale that Shaun will be okay.

I still believe they missed a good opportunity with them having the baby but this has passed and we must deal with the aftermath.

Mary said...

Thanks Kelli for providing us with this interesting reflection on episode 4x16. I loved this episode because it dealt with the aftermath of such a tragic event in an extremely realistic way for both Lea and Shaun. Paige was extraordinary in every single scene and was able to convey the emotions with great intensity. I am very empathetic with her character and I have suffered with her and for her. During the episode I was able to notice several signs attributable to a form of depression, but I think it is too early to say that it is actually this, even if we have to consider that the synopsis of 4x19 tells us that Lea is still struggling with the her loss. The next few episodes will allow us to understand her emotional development.
Below I will try to describe the signs of depression that I have noticed by referring to the symptoms that characterize depression. According to accredited sources (I consulted Italian sources but I also found this english site that seems reliable:), depression has several symptoms that can vary depending on the individual, the ones I noticed in Lea in particular are:
- Feeling sad or having a depressed mood: this is evident in all her scenes;
- Loss of interest or pleasure in activities once enjoyed: the selfless way she does the channel surfing and then plays games mindlessly on her phone (as you also observed Kelli);
- Loss of energy or increased fatigue: did you notice the way she slowly sat down in the opening scene?
- Difficulty thinking, concentrating or making decisions: depression makes it difficult to make even the simplest decisions, such as, in Lea's case, deciding whether to get another mug or wash the one she used;
- Feeling worthless or guilty: this feeling emerges in the ending scene in which Lea says she feels guilty because they get bugs in the house. This worries me a lot because it might suggest that Lea feels guilty about what happened to their baby.
Depression can also lead people to neglect the order of their surroundings and avoid social interactions. As for the first point, I noticed that the episode opens with a shot of a dirty bowl of cereal and then a shot of the bedroom showing the unmade bed, at some point we can also notice some crumbs. The fact that Shaun is not bothered by the chaos says a lot about how he is severely affected by the loss of their baby and, as he himself claims, he is not behaving normally. As for the second point, however, we can see how Lea barely responds to the nurses she meets in the hospital and she doesn't call the landlord, but most of all she avoids talking to Shaun and gets irritated when she finds out that Glassman has suggested him to talk to her. I also think that somehow Lea wants to protect Shaun from her deep pain. As for Lea not informing her mother of what happened and ignoring the calls: putting myself in her shoes, I think informing her mother would have meant saying aloud what happened and it's very difficult (all the people who are around Lea and Shaun know what happened, so I guess they didn't explicitly inform anyone). Also, we know that Lea's mother is very stinging towards her daughter, so she probably thinks she gets criticism from her mother and the worst part is that her guilt might lead her to believe those criticism.
The ending scene was very intense because Shaun, thanks to Andrews's words, understood how to behave towards Lea, allowing her to find refuge in her arms. Another thing I noticed is that we see Lea sad throughout the episode and she comes close to tears with Dr. Jordan's speech, but she cries just in the arms of her beloved Shaun, finally revealing to him her emotions. Imo this made that scene even more powerful.
One last thing: I noticed Lea's black t-shirt too, a concrete representation of her state of mind and in this regard I would add that I saw a black t-shirt again in the 4x19 photos.

Mary said...

Sorry, I forgot to add the link
https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/depression/what-is-depression

Shea Endgame said...

Thanks Kelli, for yet another wonderful post!!

I have two things to add, I have watched the episode a couple of times and I think that Letting go doesn't occur days after Dr. Ted but the day after that. Hence why everyone at the hospital were surprised because Shaun was coming back so fast. Well, it's my perception of course.

And secondly, yes, the scene with Lea's mom was a wonderful way to show Shaun's discomfort and also grief in a way. But also, loved that imo he respected Lea's wishes to not say anything. He could have screamed to her that there was no longer a baby but he avoided his honest nature to respect the Decision Lea made on not tell her mother. I guess that we all can see why she was hiding the information, and then he not just expresses his frustration for what happened but he also openly calls her out, in a way like defending Lea too from her mother's critics.

I really liked the episode and the details of the songs along with Lea's state of emotions. I'm loving how they are taking so much goodies out of Fred and Paige's non verbal performances. Both are incredible and they are so so underrated.

Anyway let's see then what episode 4x18 brings it will be Amazing for sure but I'm not expecting Shea to be the center of attention this time. Ctv promo is all about Claire and the synopsis refers to Park and Morgan too.. So let's see.

Mary said...

I just realized I wrote 4x16 instead of 4x17

Andreas said...

A very astute observation about the symptoms of depression, Mary!

I came up with a very similar list after a second viewing of the episode:
shock and numbness
overwhelming sadness
lack of energy and tiredness
moving and speaking more slowly than usual
avoiding social contacts
finding it difficult to make decisions
feeling guilty (ostensibly about the bugs)

… and the disarray in the apartment – yeah Shaun doesn’t care either when he gets the funk. When he was depressed in 3.18 “Heartbreak” it was even worse!

Though, as you already pointed out Mary, it is too early for a diagnosis since most of symptoms could be signs of -healthy- grief as well so shortly after the incident.

To meet the DSM-5 diagnostic criteria for major depressive disorder, the symptoms must persist at least two weeks or longer and cause significant distress or impairment in social, occupational or other important areas of functioning.

We aren’t there yet. But one detail is already cause for concern: grief does usually not affect the self-esteem of the grieving person. Now, Lea has always been prone to self-doubt in the first place, but that is something to have an eye on.

Anyway, we know that Shaun gets injured next episode. Regardless of the severity, he will need some weeks for recovery before the Guatemala adventure can begin. So, we will have to look out for any symptoms of depression not in 4.18, but 4.19. If Lea is still similar downbeat and doubting herself by then shit might get real.

Pamela said...

Beautiful analysis of Shea's grief in Letting Go Kelli. The episode was wonderfully written, directed and acted. The music was well chosen and spoke beautifully of Lea's mindset. Now a fan of Julien Baker's music.

I wanted to highlight 3 of the most poignant scenes:
1. Jordan's words of sympathy for Lea - very touching and you could see Lea trying so hard not to break down but Jordan's words truly touched her and it is also my hope that Shaun and Lea find a way to honor their baby girl's memory in their own way.

2. Pam's phone call - what a tremendously brilliant scene. In my opinion easily one of Freddie's best TGD scenes. His body language alone was brilliant. Watch it on mute to see for yourself. The subtle way he looked at Lea when he determined Lea hadn't shared the miscarriage news with Pam, the pacing and increased agitation when Pam kept at it, the explosive way he yelled at her to shut up and the way he placed the phone back on the counter. And then Lea's reactions to Pam's endlessly annoying baby talk and finally to Shaun's "this is stupid" and "you need to shut up" just added to the brilliance of the scene. And as an audience, we could feel the tension of wondering if Shaun would spill the beans of the miscarriage as he increasingly became frustrated during the conversation. Yes I heard Pam's criticism of Lea's judgement regarding not caring about negative reviews of Lea's preferred stroller choice. No wonder Lea hadn't yet divulged the miscarriage news to her mom. Personally speaking, my relationship with my mother is Lea's relationship with her mom in a nutshell. I love my mom but damn...

3. The end scene when Lea was finally able to release her feelings - yes she's feeling guilty about the baby's loss and not just about the fruit flies. Thank you Mary for perfectly describing the power of that scene, in how Lea could only breakdown and cry in front of "her beloved Shaun". What a lovely way of putting it. Let me cry some more.

Regarding my hope for Shea in the final episodes: I want them to have a really cathartic moment where they both simultaneously breakdown in their grief. The 4.19 synopsis states Shaun "seems to be thriving". I think "seems" is a key word because Shaun has always had breakdowns over major negative events in his life and the loss of their baby is most definitely one of those moments. It may not be throwing rocks as Kelli wrote in a previous post, but it should be something emotionally cathartic. And of course my biggest hope is that their growth as a couple this season has enabled them to overcome this most difficult of challenges, thereby firmly establishing their love, trust and commitment to each other.

hippydippyscot said...

Excellent post Kelli one of your best I have read. Your eye for detail is 2nd to none. The music chosen during these scenes was so emotional with perfect lyrics

When Shaun got told to go home and be with Lea giving Lea the advice Glassie gave him and for the first time Lea did not say Glassie but called him Dr. Glassman which showed how pissed off Lea was. I loved how Lea said to Shaun "Dr. Glassman is not a counselor he is a neurosurgeon".

Even a one-minute scene between Glassie and Lea would have meant so much to Lea who is Shaun's partner. The producers could have cut one minute off the scenes with the old lady and Wolke, who got far too much airtime. Glassie went to see the old lady and sat laughing with her, yet Glassie avoids Lea who really needed a few kind words from him as is heartbroken with grief

I watched Letting Go while the Dr recorded the moments where my heart spiked and every scene my heart spiked involved Lea whose portrayal of raw grief broke my heart. The scenes between Shaun and Lea are exceptional

Steven Hamburg, your post resonated with me as I also wanted to see Shaun and Lea become parents and feel cheated by the writers, but like you, I have no choice but to accept what happened and move forward

I loved the promo photos for S4x14 Forgive and Forget airing on 24th May when Shaun and Lea escape and go camping, having fun, making love while sharing a sleeping bag, kissing while laughing together, the love between them is so obvious it jumps out of your TV screen giving you a warm hug

Special moments like these help Shaun and Lea's grief, remind them why they make each other "more" and how facing challenges together makes them stronger. Shaun told Lea's parents this as he waited in the foyer of their hotel before they left to go home early after the meal disaster and took them for a meal later on that day.

In the final scene where Lea is blaming herself for all that goes wrong Shaun did not interrupt Lea but listened feeling Lea's pain. Shaun held Lea's shoulders gently and pulled Lea towards him while Lea put her arms around Shaun's waist and sank her head into Shaun's chest and as Lea wept Shaun wrapped his arms around Lea even tighter while Lea's tears flowed, that scene was so powerful I cried

The promo photos gave me hope, what gives me more hope is the photos of Lea who is in Guatemala with Shaun staying by Shaun's side, supporting Shaun and not running away as has happened in Lea's past

Yes, Lea is struggling with her own grief what pregnant mum wouldn't after such a loss, yet Lea is supporting Shaun just by being in Guatemala. The last place Lea would run to is her mum who is so critical of Lea How Shaun kept his patience for so long amazed me

I am so proud of Shaun finally snapping on the phone to mama bear when dinosaurs were mentioned and then Shaun realizing what he had said to Lea's mum putting the phone down as if it were on fire. Kelli, I also laughed out loud during that scene, and the look on Lea's face was priceless, not one of annoyance, but I can't think of the word for the look, amazed, pride? Love?

I look forward to reading others' thoughts before the new episode on Monday and already laughed at the thought of Shaun camping and was not surprised by Shaun falling off the log and breaking his foot

I am now home from the hospital after 12 days with 7 of them being intense therapy where I had to discuss why this event triggered such a jerk reaction that I took a lethal overdose. Once a box is opened inside your brain it can't be closed again. The link was my own baby death on 30th May many years ago.

My abuse/trauma/ PTSD therapy will continue at home as this is not an easy fix as going back to childhood. Kelli, I am so grateful for your blog group, and those who post taking the time to send me kind words have also helped my own healing process. Tony Payne has the biggest heart of anyone I have known keeping me afloat during the past year of lockdown.

Luv Mo x

Tony said...

First off, thank you Mo for the shout-out. Seeing that you're back at home, and on the road to a more peaceful state just warms my heart! And knowing that we've got a great group right here is a great encouragement to me as well!

Kelli, well done on capturing the essence of how the show actually spent time on Shaun AND Lea - both individually and collectively. I remember Paige saying at the TGD Panel last fall that she would love for the show to give us some more Lea perspective. As far as I'm concerned, this season has delivered that and then some! This episode, right alongside "Decrypt", are crown jewels in the Lea collection.

I also want to echo the disappointment about the lack of Lea/Glassman time during the 2nd half of this season. After the beautiful setup in "Decrypt" with the poker game, there was great potential during the pregnancy. And then after the tragedy struck, for there not to be a single scene within the two episodes we've gotten so far is nothing short of negligence. And likely three, as it looks like Shaun and Lea will be separate from everyone else in this next episode.

If the reason for it in the last episode was to give priority to Glassman/Asher (as Mo alluded to above, as did Kelli in her last blog post), then I really question the way they prioritize. And that wouldn't even explain "Letting Go", which had a grand total of one Glassman scene (and this time, not even broken up by a commercial break).

With all that said, I was actually very pleased with the episode itself. I was never worried about Shaun going overboard on his work, or not tending to Lea. For me, it was more about the "how." Andrews did a great job keeping Shaun in check and accountable (without going overboard himself), and then sharing that tender moment at the end of the episode.

Though I did muse: if Andrews knew he wanted to be with Isabel since his Freshman year of college (as he told Shaun during his heartbeat speech in 3.11), yet suffered a breakup early in his career that earned him sympathy from Dr. Nakano, I wonder if that was a temporary breakup with Isabel (which I doubt, as I doubt Dr. Nakano would have said so confidently "I never liked her"), or just an oversight on the part of the writers?

It felt like a return to old form, with Shaun coming up with the brilliant save. And although some argue they want to see "Shaun the Doctor, not Shaun and his personal life" (note: I am NOT!!!!! one of those people), I think this episode did a spectacular job showing that Shaun can indeed handle both. Perfectly complimented by that brilliant moment in the apartment at the end, and that wordless embrace with Lea. WELL DONE, show!

In closing, I'm excited to see what this next episode brings. There's so much attention and speculation on the finale, that I'm wondering if there will be ANY setup to it whatsoever in this next episode? And whether or not there is, just seeing a breather for Shaun and Lea will be much needed! It won't take away all their worries, but I'm certainly anticipating it being a good step. Oh...between saving the hospital, and saving Shaun, Lea's proving to be QUITE the super-woman. And I'm all here for it!!!

Daniela said...

Thank you, Kelli for your weekly blog post, as insightful as ever!
Mo, I’m glad you’re back home. I wish you all the best.
There’s not much I can add to the already numerous comments.
The episode was good, with excellent acting from both Freddy and Paige.
The story about the aftermath of the miscarriage developed more or less as I imagined. I figured that Shaun would have struggled to process his feelings, but I was quite surprised by Lea’s numbness. Hopefully she won’t develop any form of real depression, considering that, by the end of the episode, she finally opened up to Shaun about her feelings.
I agree that the pivotal moment was probably the phone call between Shaun and Pam, where not only Lea got to witness Shaun’s distress, but Shaun himself probably faced it for the very first time.

I’m conflicted about Andrews’ role in this episode. Without even knowing it, he was the one who offered Shaun the best insight on how to proceed, when he suggested that he was in a unique position to understand his mentor’s loss, because they both loved the same thing. And given that Shaun was at a loss about what exactly meant to face his own loss, that was probably what he needed the most.
At the same time, Andrews was the one who asked to call security, when Shaun rushed in the OR in panic mode.
I mean, what the fuck! They all know, respect, and care for Shaun by now. Andrews himself lost his position as president of the hospital in order to save Shaun. How can they still think that the best way to deal with his rampages is to call security?
The OB-GYN asked to page Glassman, back in “Gender Reveal”, and I’m sure she wasn’t as familiar with Shaun’s strengths and weaknesses, as Andrews should be.

Daniela said...

All that said, I have to confess that I’m also very disappointed by the lack of any kind of interaction between Lea and Glassman. I totally agree with Tony on this. And the one-minute scene between Shaun and Glassy was far from being enough support in the face of the tragedy they had just endured.

Do the writers really think that the Lea-Jordan (a guest character we barely know) scene about Jordan’s grandmother’s death was more worth it than Glassy talking with Lea about the common loss of a daughter? I mean, seriously?
They devoted much time, during the first half of the season to developing and improving significantly the relationship between Lea and Glassman, through great episodes like “Parenting” and “Decrypt”. Then they came up with the pregnancy storyline, pushing Glassy to share with Shaun more and more of his experiences as a parent, mentioning Maddie directly once, and talking about hard topics, like the price of parenthood. Ultimately, they made Shaun and Lea expect not a boy, but a baby girl.
I mean, the clues were all there, that they wanted to address Glassman’s loss too, once and for all. Add to it that Glassy himself looked devasted at the end of “Dr. Ted”. Obviously, he was reliving his personal tragedy once again.
He would have been in a unique position to offer Lea support and encouragement, and that could have been a healing occasion for himself as well.
Lea’s office is in the same corridor as Glassman’s. She could have easily run into him when she went to the hospital to recharge her phone.
Their exchange would have helped resolve things for the better, and would have been rewording for the audience, in general, due to the fact that Lea and Glassy are effectively Shaun’s family.

But there was nothing. That storyline was dropped completely.
And I don’t expect it to be resumed in any of the upcoming episodes. “Forgive or Forget” will mainly deal with Claire and her father. Then, there’s the camping trip for Shaun and Lea. Probably, Debbie’s presence will be justified by the occasional bickering between her and Glassy, that nothing adds to the main storyline.
Debbie’s lack of involvement in what really matters in Glassman’s life is another big missed opportunity. She could contribute in a positive way in their general dynamics, also considering that Lea is “a young Debbie”, as someone on Twitter commented. And I’m glad that Richard Schiff himself agreed with that comment.
In the last two episodes, everyone except Glassy will go to Guatemala, so the season is over, as far as this plotline is involved.
If any of you involved in the production read this, I think that you’re all doing a great job, and I’m really grateful for that. But I need to tell you that this habit you have of dropping storylines abruptly and sometimes being inconsistent with the characters’ backstories is very, very annoying!
Thank you for receiving my complaint. A faithful fan of yours.

Thank you all for bearing with my rant.

Mary said...

Thanks Andreas and thanks Pamela for your words of appreciation.
I agree with you Andreas that those symptoms could be signs of healthy grief and I really hope she won’t develop any form of depression. Anyway these details reveal the accuracy with which each scene is shot and noticing them allows us to have a deeper understanding of the story and the characters. So once again the show was great in representing events. However, I was disappointed by the lack of a Lea-Glassman scene too but, even if it seems unlikely, I still hope that somehow they can give us something in the upcoming episodes otherwise it would be really a shame for all the aspects that Daniela has brilliantly described.

Andreas said...

I’m not happy with the lack of Glassman’s involvement in the pregnancy and subsequent loss either. Though, with the effort that went into normalizing the relationship between Glassman and Lea before, I wonder if something might have messed with the writers’ original plans.

Lately, most episodes followed the simple routine of Glassman giving advice to Shaun in one scene, which means less time on the set for Richard Schiff. It might be that the actor needed additional recovery time after his Covid infection. About 50-70% of hospitalized patients suffer from Long Covid Syndrome afterwards. Richard Schiff was much faster out of the hospital and back to filming than I anticipated anyway.

hippydippyscot said...

Excellent posting Mary. There is a HUGE difference between grief and depression If leaving cups and unmade beds and sleeping all the time is what viewers feel is depression then every teenager in the world is depressed
Daniela, I really enjoyed reading what you said about Glassie, thanks for your kind words

I have sadly suffered badly from severe grief and severe depression and there is no comparison between the two

During grief you go through 5 stages and finally reach acceptance there is no time scale though several therapists say 2-5 years

Lea is not depressed Lea is grieving for the loss of her baby daughter as at 22 weeks 38% of babies have survived due to the advances in science. Lea is crying a lot allowing herself to grieve allowing her feeling out which is healthy. Confiding in others such as Shaun and Claire yet blames herself when no blame exists

Dirty cups and unmade beds have nothing to do with either grief or depression. I have friends who use a different cup each time until none are left and they have to wash all, who never make their beds perhaps changing them every 3 months. They are not depressed or grieving they just can't stand housework and enjoy other things such as reading a book or doing a different activity more

Depression is very different, you go to bed at night praying you will not wake up to another day of pain and are stuck in groundhog day. Make several suicide attempts as feel those you love would be better off without you in their lives as you think of yourself as a burden and not worthy of love. You think irrationally and the smallest comment which would normally be brushed off upsets you. There can be a trigger that brings back a memory buried deep inside your brain a long ago protecting you from the pain which happened in your past, such a trigger often results in an instant overdose without any warning as the shock is so great such as the death of Lea's baby

Self Harm is a huge sign of depression, cutting yourself at random not even looking to see if you hit a vein, scrubbing your body with bleach or chemicals causing burns, eating disorders such as anorexia or bulimia, drug abuse, alcohol abuse. When one form of self-harm stops a new one starts

Suicides have spiraled worldwide during this past year of lockdown ~ people are social animals who need others to interact with chat to face. Being locked up inside our homes, shielding and put into quarantine for months on end seeing nobody for weeks harms mental health badly especially for those living alone as loneliness with the elderly is a real killer

Lea has none of the above, there is no sign of self-harm but Lea has very low self-esteem connected to how Lea has been treated by her parents since being a child. Mama bear who fault with everything Lea does even down to the choice of stroller Lea had ordered for their baby daughter. No wonder Lea never told mama bear her baby daughter had died as already blames herself and the fear of what mama bear may have said would be too much to hear

Lea is in deep grief and needs grief therapy which will help greatly, whether going through this therapy alone or with Shaun who may find this too uncomfortable. This cannot be blamed on Shaun being an autistic savant as men, in general, find it so much harder to open up than women with many refusing to go to grief counseling, men tend to keep things bottled up inside and then snap just like Shaun did on the phone with mama bear after a barrage of questions with the dinosaur one tipping Shaun over the edge

I am not sure wearing black is a sign of depression as I wear very colorful clothes yet am deeply depressed. Goths wear black as a cultural choice and are not depressed. Often a phase they go through as teenagers then gradually change. In my day it was hippies, mods and rockers, and punks

I am looking forward to Monday night's episode as after this past month of trauma's we need something light-hearted to watch.
Luv Maureen x

Syl said...

It is a beautifully written post Kelli!

I didn't expect the episode to focus so much on Lea's mental state and to be given such care in how it was shown, also in scenes with both Lea and Shaun. So it was a nice surprise. As you said Kelli, the miscarriage happened within her, and as any woman having gone through that it's too be expected that she would struggle so much emotionally, but although we knew the writers would show Lea and Shaun going through grief, I thought that they were being very respectful of people and especially women having had a miscarriage in the way they explored Lea and Shaun's emotional struggles and with the time they are devoting to show it.

I love how they used songs whose lyrics depicted Lea's thoughts, it was really well done.

My favourite scene was the one with the infamous phone call...From Shaun trying to instigate a discussion but being met with silence as Lea was unable to share her true feelings, to Lea's rant about Glassman showing she tried to distance herself emotionally, to Lea's panicked then distressed and deeply sad look when her mother went on about the stroller and the onesie, and of course Shaun trying hard to stay polite but in the end snapping at her and being subsequently shocked by what he had just said.
Really, such a great scene. Paige and Freddie were phenomenal this episode, but they really shined in this scene.
I was so happy that someone shut Lea's mother up, she was being so annoying in 1 single phone call, managing to criticize her daughter again - and what is worse implying she was putting her baby in danger with her choice of a stroller, thus being a bad mother already before the birth! It made me so angry... - and also making a difference between what to give to boys vs girls. I found it funny and cute that Shaun made the remark that what Pam said about dinosaurs not being for girls was stupid, when in "Gender reveal" Shaun suggested to paint the baby's room in pink!

Lea's scene with Jordan was meaningful, I loved that Jordan mentioned that Lea was mourning the future she would have had with her daughter.

Regarding the topic of Lea being possibly depressed:
After "Dr Ted" and the promo pictures and synopses we got for the next few episodes, I thought that Lea would be going through a depressive state during her grief. After watching "Letting go", I thought that she displayed some typical signs of it too. But it's indeed only when several symptoms are present over time that depression can be inferred. It's also expected that Lea would feel the loss particularly strongly given how sensitive she is and the low self-esteem she has.
The last scene was very touching in the way Lea tried to communicate her feelings and how sad and guilty she felt. This guilt is likely something that we'll hear more of in the finale.

Syl said...

Daniela, we both exchanged tweets about the lack of a Lea-Glassman scene and about the overall annoying trend of TGD dropping storylines, so of course I agree with you on the topic, and also with Tony, Mary, Andreas...I don't understand too why the writers prioritized scenes with Glassman/Asher and Jordan/Lea. The fact that there has mostly been only 1 or 2 scenes with Glassman per episode is so odd that it could indeed be linked to Richard still having issues to recover completely from covid, so they logically gave the few time he had with Freddie. But then, why the only time Glassman has more scenes is with Asher? It seems it's only to give the newbies something to do and give them some importance, which would make me resent the newbies' storyline even more, which is a shame as I quite like Asher and Jordan now.
I'm so pissed off by the lack of care by the writers for not just some storylines but also some relationships, dropping them. Glassman-Lea should have been given at least one scene since the pregnancy storyline started given that the writers had seemingly purposely showed them become closer and, as some of you said, the loss of a baby girl could be a parallel to Glassman's loss.
Maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised and there will be 1 scene with them in "Forgive or forget", but it's very unlikely, the episode seems to be jam-packed with 3 separate storylines with Lea-Shaun on their camping trip, Claire dealing with her father, and Glassman maybe facing his own guilt with the help of Debbie.

However, I'm very interested in all those 3 storylines, so I'm looking forward to this episode! Of course, Ì'm most interested in seeing Lea and Shaun reconnect and share some intimate moments, and Lea "operating" on Shaun to save him.

Nadine said...

Black can be worn when someone is grieving. And if she is still doing to in 4.19 as the synopsis indicates then it makes sense why she has the black shirt on. If she wears what we saw in the BTS for the two-part finale, when in makeup etc, then she switches to different colours, which could also be a sign of her coming out of that stage of grieving to acceptance (as Mo said above - and great to hear you are home xx).

Nadine said...

Apologies for the typos above autocorrect changed “and if she is still doing so”. 🤦‍♀️

Daniela said...

Hey, I've just read that Asher and Jordan will be series regulars in season 5.
So, either someone is leaving, or the screen time allocation will become even more problematic next season.
I have to say that I'm not thrilled about the news. I like both characters, but not nearly as much as I love the original ones!

Andreas said...

Well, in terms of screen time allocation, this is in fact unfortunate news. While not all series regulars necessarily have to appear in every episode (Tamlyn Tomita’s Aoiki was rarely featured in season 2 albeit still being a regular).

We have to take into account that Lea’s role might be scaled back a little again since the show can’t come up every episode with a new excuse to involve her in a A-plot now that the pregnancy plot has ended and the psychological impact of the miscarriage will lessen over time.

Though, if the series were to loose a regular in exchaange for the newbies, my bets would be on Park since his character never was allowed by the scripts to live up to his potential. Just look at the current storyline with Morgan: it added much more to Morgan’s character than to Park. Park came off as somewhat bland with his dating expectations, while Morgan got interesting for her aggressiveness and tendency to stalk her love interest and potential rivals.

Although no longer a surgeon, Morgan is still very much an asset to the show since she can contrast and challenge every other character. Jordan’s initial assertiveness on
the other hand has vanished completely, she’s more a like Claire now – which is
rather odd, since one St. Claire is more than enough in an assortment of characters that are always well-meaning and socially well-adjusted in the first place (again with Morgan and Shaun being the notable exceptions).

A rather unlikely candidate would be Lim. She would have some reason to seek out greener pastures thanks to her PTSD but lately she seemed at peace again with her decisions in life.